The West Rides Roughshod Again!


As is the case with much of the central western steppe, from the  Carpathian Mountains to the Siberian-Mongolian Altai Mountains, the prehistory of Ukraine was home to proto-Slavic, Scythian tribes, probably as early as one millennium B.C. Before being replaced by Slavic tribes who came to occupy the territory throughout the early millennium of the modern (A.D.) period.  These common roots run deep within Ukrainian history and pre-history, as they do in Russia.  Some even say that Ukraine is the traditional birthplace of Russian culture and Russian life. Their languages as well share much of a common alphabet as well as grammar and terminology. 

Then why would Ukraine want to join the European Union and abandon its pre-historic and early historical roots? What would be the motivation? There may be two reasons, at least. One is perhaps due to the bad taste in their mouths from the Soviet period of persecution; especially the genocide of 1932-33. But second, and perhaps more important, ‘a taste of the apple’ – the growing mythology of ‘promise,’ of the economic prosperity and highly touted individual freedom magically gifted by adherence to the curriculum of the West.  Propaganda, plain and simple!  Economic slavery, straight up! We even see the dissimulating words of Victoria Nuland, the American neoconservative Assistant Secretary of State, whose quiet agenda is US world hegemony.  On December 13, 2013, she told the Ukrainians “what was in store for them but the protesters were too delusional to hear.”

In an eight minute, 46 second speech at the National Press Club sponsored by the US-Ukraine Foundation, Chevron, and Ukraine-in-Washington Lobby Group, Nuland boasted that Washington has spent $5 billion to foment agitation to bring Ukraine into the EU. Once captured by the EU, Ukraine will be “helped” by the West acting through the IMF. Nuland, of course, presented the IMF as Ukraine’s rescuer, not as the iron hand of the West that will squeeze all life out of Ukraine’s struggling economy.

What could be the outcome of a Ukrainian entry into the EU/EC?  For starters we could look to the Rumanians or Bulgarians for an example of how the EU treats its “Eastern” partners.  Or look at the results in Greece or Spain.  The only reason individual Ukrainians would want this deal is for potential easy entry into the mocked-up land of milk and honey; the delusional promises of a world hegemon. Again, I am not writing to support any nation, Russia, America or Ukraine.  I am only posing the question – why?  Why would Russia want to help?  Why would Ukraine want to joint the EU?  And why will the US government not put its cards clearly on the table, and be honest about its intentions?

We know that the USA has been involved in much global destabilization over the recent years; we know that the US is operating covertly and duplicitously with global snooping, arms sales, regime change, cyber-espionage, assassination, military and cyberwarfare, torture, exported terrorism, global economic hanky-panky, etc.  We know that the US government is afraid of everyone, especially the Russian Bear.  We know they want defense mechanisms, if not first strike capabilities, close to Russia.  We know that the government would like to destabilize Russia with the intent of taking more of the global goodies.  We know that the USA has hegemonic plans globally for the Grand Chessboard, and Russia as well as China stand in its way.  The US has stood for ongoing destabilization for many decades now, if not since its founding.  I mean, what was the American revolution anyway – an exercise in destabilization.  We have more interest in the outcome there than any other player.  Just ask Zbigniew Brzezinski.

So, what about Russia?  What does Putin want?  Well, I assume he wants to maintain the integrity of his country’s boundaries against the West (read: America is threatening to make Ukraine an outpost). I assume he also wants to see Ukraine become part of his economic trading bloc.  Perhaps he also sees the continuity and contiguity between the cultures of the two territories and wants to see their ancient historical roots remain relatively unmolested.  As reports have noted,

Putin claimed the bailout came without any “increase, decrease, or freezing of any social standards, pensions, subsidies, or salaries” – a deliberate contrast with the International Monetary Fund, which had offered to help Ukraine only if it introduced austerity measures and macroeconomic reforms.

Of course, I am not naïve enough to think Putin is altruistic.  Obviously, I don’t think that.  But, if anyone has a right to consider the future of Ukraine it is Russia and not America.  Indeed, we could say that Russia has a historical obligation in that regard.

What do Ukrainians want?  Well, many of them want to leave Ukraine for the gold rush to the West; the false promises of a land flowing with milk and honey.  But I will now quote the former Ukrainian economy minister, albeit, turning his words around onto the other suitor: “I know of only one place where you can find free cheese – and that’s in a mouse-trap.”  There is no free lunch from Russia or from the EU/American hegemony.  So I say if individual Ukrainians want to go West, then let those who want to go… go!  Let your benefactor, Uncle Sam, pay for your plane tickets back to the Homeland!

But, I believe the government of Ukraine is stuck now between a rock and a hard place; just trying to stay afloat until they can grab hold of any meaningful life support. And, I do not want to hear about rigged elections in Ukraine anymore; there are no elections more perversely rigged than those in the USA!  Just ask Citizens United.  So, folks, sit back and watch the unfolding spectacle of Ukraine… to see who will make off with the goodies, and at what cost to the Ukrainian people.  Только Бог знает!

85 Responses to The West Rides Roughshod Again!

  1. Disaffected says:

    Sounds like Ukranians are confronting the same monster the Islamic peoples in the middle east and the indigenous people of South and Middle Americas have been confronting for decades. More than any other factor; economic, political, military, anything, it’s cultural hegemony the west seeks to impose on people everywhere. Like any good drug dealer, our fearless leaders know that once they tempt native peoples with the fruits of imperial capitalism they simply won’t be able to resist. Only to have the rug pulled out from under them soon afterward when the many demons of our system come home to roost, as they inevitably always do. Still fighting the 20th century cold war, the secular religionistas of the capitalist west simply can’t help themselves when it comes to spreading their gospel of capitalist greed, corruption, and ultimately human and environmental degradation. Here’s hoping the Ukranians continue to resist the sirens’ song of the west.

    • Disaffected says:

      I know I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating again: western capitalism, with its exponential growth imperative, is, quite literally, a malignancy! There’s simply no other way to look at it. A cancerous growth on the human race that in a hundred years or so will in all likelihood kill its human hosts, or at least leave them terminally ill and down for the count. All of our other ills – climate change, overpopulation, environmental degradation, wars without end, and human and cultural degradation – at this point stem from the western capitalism mandate for “growth” at all costs.

  2. Malthus says:

    “And why will the US government not put its cards clearly on the table, and be honest about its intentions?” Are you kidding? I am trying to remember any time when the US government was ever totally honest about anything. Nothing comes to mind. I am certain there have been a few times when all else failed but I do not recall them. Good questions Sandy, keep the pressure on.

  3. This is what Nuland actually said, “Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government – all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals.” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”
    Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Poland, etc etc: all Eastern Bloc countries now part of the EU with few complaints on either side. This is probably the attraction for Ukraine West. Smaller countries function better than large. Let the East go with Russia, and the West with the EU. I don’t see how keeping Ukraine united and in the Russian orbit is going to bring about the end of capitalism any more than being in the EU.
    And while we’re about it, let West Coast USA be one country, Northeast another, the Confederacy never wanted to be a part of it anyway, so they have their dream of sovereignty and ignorance. The rest of the big states can be a fourth nation, with plenty of room for citizens to practice their quickdraw.

    • kulturcritic says:

      I think this link to the Nuland phone transcription makes it perfectly clear that the US Admin is not out front with anyone about their intentions… they want to “midwife” of coup d’etat in Ukraine. And, this Nuland character is herself trying to fashion this coup according to her own liking, and ‘fuck’ the EU if they are not so aggressive. I think we have had enough leaking lately to be completely sceptical about our government’s intentions and their methods. They keep using the false flag of freedom and democracy to spread their cancerous philosophy around the globe, chewing up lives, species, and real estate in the process… and fuck the rest of the world if they can’t deal with it.

    • kulturcritic says:

      As well, Reid, from your remarks I would think you are afraid the NSA or CIA is going to come after you if you don’t defend the constitution. You are way too smart to take these people at face value. Of course, she spoke about Freedom&Democracy, they always do… but what they were really doing is trying to break Ukraine away from Russia so they could get a foothold there on the border, and create new slave laborers, gain access to resources, and create markets for their toys. And speaking at the Uk-Am Club in DC, sponsored by Chevron, we cannot be so naive as to not know what was going on there for decades. Why is the USA pushing for Ukraine to be free? Free of what? Free from what? Free for what?

      • Disaffected says:

        From what I’ve read lately, CIA and NSA have enough technology to piece together pretty much anything they want to on anyone they want if they set their mind to it, so I’ve kind of quit worrying about it. But you’re right kC, Ukraine is little more than just another third world domino to these guys in which they’re looking to foment pro-western revolution, incidental costs to local populations be damned. One thing’s for sure, whenever US officials get up on their soapbox and start mouthing platitudes about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness its time to strap on the hip waders and start looking for higher ground, cause the bullshit’s gonna be waist high before you know it.

    • Disaffected says:

      But I agree, I think the US is headed for an eventual breakup too, likely in conjunction with a dollar default. Once we have no common currency, a whole host of other reasons to stay united will dissolve as well. And the corporations damn sure have no interest in keeping us united, other than our joint military power. But that can probably be bought and paid for through the mercenary markets these days anyway.

  4. the Heretick says:

    to be very jingoistic, “white man speaks with forked tongue”.
    “According to one 1859 account, the native proverb that the “white man spoke with a forked tongue” originated as a result of the French tactic of the 1690s, in their war with the Iroquois, of inviting their enemies to attend a Peace Conference, only to be slaughtered or captured.”

    funny thing, one of the most intelligent conversations i’ve had with anybody recently was with a red-state USMC veteran, a jarhead as they say. when i mentioned that any area where people are piled up on top of each other, such as a city, requires exponentially more land than they occupy? he was finishing my sentences for me.

    the USA has ocean on either side of our “homeland”, the last time foreign troops were on our soil those soldiers were English, why then do we need such a huge ‘defense” budget? to project our power? defend our vital interests? bullcrap, bullcrap, and more bullcrap.

    so this lady admits to giving out $5 billion, while we run budget deficits every year. lovely
    at what point does sanity kick in for the American empire? at what point does it just cost more to maintain an empire than it pays? i guess a long time if the rulers never have to pay.

    one thing i have to give to the Europeans, which is what i consider all sides in this deal, they aren’t shy. we yanks, for all of our supposed forward thinking, we are so provincial, all while thinking we are so sophisticated. rubes.

    • Disaffected says:

      We “yanks” are little more than disenfranchised Euros as well, which is why we’re still trying to exert so much influence. And rest assured, we yanks have more than a little skin in this game of international intrigue. But yeah, people piled on top of one another like rats in a nest is a sure fire recipe for sub-human behavior. Which we’re observing already.

  5. Disaffected says:

    I dunno, this whole thing looks a bit… staged to me.

    Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I suspect there’s a whole lot more than meets the eye going on with this whole affair. For two, this was hardly the epic “whipping by the Cossacks” I expected to see after hearing about it elsewhere. Looked a whole lot more like a few spoiled little girls acting out for the camera and a handful of emasculated cops trying to appear remasculated (to little effect) to me. And a google of western press corps trying to glom on and stir up a controversy where none actually exists, of course.

    I guess I’m jaded, but I see a whole lot more violence and genuine outrage on any episode of The Sopranos I watch these days.

    Probably just me, but I imagine Putin and Obama both sharing a laugh over all this. When it comes to divvying up the world, or what’s left of it at least, I can’t imagine the US and Russia parting ways when it comes to shutting out the Chinese and the rest of the SE Asian and “equatorial peoples” when it comes to remaining energy supplies, the latest round of imperialism in general and industrial capitalism in particular being a uniquely northern European construct in the first place.

    • kulturcritic says:

      I afraid I’m all pussied-out with these riotous bimbos. I really have no respect for them or their message. It becomes increasingly clear that they are paid dupes and media whores.

      • Disaffected says:

        The more I watch that clip the more comical and staged it appears. If that’s the worst the “big bad cossacks” have these days, then Russians are in no danger whatsoever. We here in the US know true authoritarianism when we see it, having invited it on ourselves under the guise of the Patriot Act.

  6. I don’t equate the EU with the USA. The EU isn’t invading countries or have a killing program, bases all over the world, or covert ops in 130 countries. For 20 years Ukrainian oligarchs have looted the country and invested the proceeds in the west, emulating their Russian counterparts. Where would Putin’s 15 billion go? He spent 50 billion on Sochi. More than all other winter Olympics combined. Where did that money go? I’m guessing a fraction went for material and near slave labor. If Ukraine stays under Russia’s thumb, it will be more of the same.misery. Hopefully, a deal with the EU would include conditions that may help clean up the mess. It couldn’t do much worse.
    Either way, the multi-nationals will still have their hooks into Ukrainian markets. Guess, Ostin, McDonalds, KFC etc are all there, and not going anywhere no matter who is in charge. At least with the EU, Ukraine has a chance to go the way of Poland, Czech Republic, etc. I’m more interested in the Ukrainian people getting a break than stymieing the West. They have more spunk and aren’t as accepting of the inevitable as the Russians.

    • kulturcritic says:

      You are stuck in the spectacle, Reid. It may be a fait complete that the multis are going to populate every street corner before the world closes its doors, but that does not mean we must endorse it. Nor need we wish for the Uks to be as lucky as the Poles, et al, in staking out their piece of the pie. The EU is the lapdog of the American hegemony. You do not think giving 50B$ to the Ukraine over the past two decades is not LOOTING the USA; it is my friend. Stop deluding yourself with this nonsense. Russia spent 50B$ not on the Olympic village itself, although certainly a goodly amount there, but on crucial infrastructure in and around Sochi to insure its accessibility to the West. Look, you live in Siberia with me; you understand how the infrastructure in these places sucks by Western standards. So Ried; I love you… but give us all a break. 😉

      • It would be interesting to see what per cent of Poles want to leave the EU, because it is the lapdog of American hegemony. They may not like it, but I’m guessing they wish to stay put.
        It was 5 billion over 20 years: 250 million per year or about 7% of what we donated to Israel every year to “maintain their institutions of democracy.” (ha ha)
        In Sochi, Putin spent 8.7 billion on one rail line to connect two venues, more than the prep for the entire 2010 games in Vancouver. Someone wrote that it could have been paved with Beluga caviar. It would have preferable for the West and Russia to cooperate in helping Ukraine and wait for elections next year, but that didn’t happen cuz the US wouldn’t go. Maybe part of it was Obama didn’t want to be shown up by Putin again like in Syria. So, Putin was the good actor in this scenario, but I’m not ready to nominate him for sainthood.

        • kulturcritic says:

          It really doe not matter what the Poles or what any other peoples want, Reid. We are not discussing their desires or wants; we are discussing the intentions of the Western hegemony. But you still do not get it. Everybody wants the Western Curriculum (well most everyone), and that is the point!

          • Why doesn’t it matter what the Ukrainians want? Your post is all about what the various players want.
            I agree. Western hegemony bad. But if they want the Western Curriculum, let them have it. You can’t deny a choice to people because the sponsors are nefarious.

          • Malthus says:

            I just do not see why anyone would want the Western Curriculum except that perhaps what they have now is even worse, which could be. I do not know, but this does not say much for the human species and its intelligence to create something that would be beneficial for everyone. Me I am in the fog about this. I know what is wrong with the western culture and thought and it seems everyone that comes here does also. And as I say it is beyond my understanding why all those everybodys would some how pick up on the hypocrisy. Any answers out there? And no matter what anyone thinks we humans would not have survived without cooperation. Maybe it is that there just are to many people. Had to throw that in. LOL

            • Disaffected says:

              Simple. They want the good things offered by American capitalist materialism. And there’s no denying that they’re plenty alluring. Trouble is, they come with a steep price tag attached, but one which isn’t apparent until after the deal has been sealed. Not to mention the fact that the American lifestyle is unsustainable, being that its merely a ponzi wealth transfer mechanism whereby the planet’s richest get that way on the back of the planet’s poorest. But like all ponzi’s the wealth/natural resource base eventually runs dry, at which point the last one’s in (including first world Americans) are the first ones shafted in a giant reversal of the process. Then the richest of the rich will declare the whole thing null and void/bankrupt, keep their ill-gotten gains, and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves in a world which has been remade in the image of the current cheap fossil fuel corporate business model, which is to say stripped bare of any natural life sustaining force for the 7B+ of us who will be back to the land in search of it.

              • Malthus says:

                It may be simple and yet why would anyone want all this crap? I guess Madison ave. has done its job very well. Maybe we could just defeat everyone with wonderful advertisements showing a lot of T and A and they will want all that crap. Oppps that’s what we have done. Stupid, simple but stupid.

                • Disaffected says:

                  Never discount the allure of T&A on large flat screen high definition projection devices. Seems to be working wonders over here. And the capitalist leviathan rolls relentlessly onward…

  7. kulturcritic says:

    A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests US Was Plotting Coup

    “”At least 50 people have died since Tuesday in the bloodiest period of Ukraine’s 22-year post-Soviet history. While President Obama has vowed to “continue to engage all sides,” a recently leaked audio recording between two top U.S. officials reveal the Obama administration has been secretly plotting with the opposition.””

    • the Heretick says:

      of course we had our dirty little fingers in the pie, of course our govt, is lying, the same way they lied about the Gulf of Tonkin, same way they lie about unemployment numbers, cost of living, inflation, crime statistics, disease statistics, the entire fucking edifice is a great big fat lie.

      a rising tide, it’s a win-win, nothing but a giant simulation to feed the chumps, or should I say chimps? welcome to the monkey house, and you how they behave after so long in the cage, what most of our political discourse consists of, a great big circle jerk.

      enough to make a poor boy feel so bad

      sorry for the expletives, just my view.

    • Disaffected says:

      The US is a prisoner of its former economic and political success. As the “winner” of the 20th century cold war, it feels obligated to fly the flag wherever and whenever that sacred narrative is challenged, while western style industrial capitalism, absent its exponential annual growth lifeblood, is revealed as merely just another sophisticated ponzi scheme. In that sense, I can only conclude that the whole Sochi Olympics project must have been an expression of Putin’s vanity. Surely he had to know by now that he couldn’t beat the west at their own game. Spectacle is the west’s stock in trade these days, but the Russians, quite proudly normally, have refused to sink to that level. And ultimately that’s what spectacle is: demeaning and humiliating. In our case, it’s the egotistic preening and posturing of a global empire now surviving on the life support of wholesale financial chicanery and militarily enforced theft. Why Putin thought it necessary for Russia to go another round with the US behemoth on grounds that he could never possibly win is puzzling to say the least, so I must conclude that it was simply an appeal to his personal vanity. Too bad it’s come to that.

      My suggested future Olympics? FIRST of all, no more national teams. Appoint an International Selection Committee and then pick the most deserving TRULY AMATEUR (no more pros) athletes regardless of nationality. TWO, shut out the press from the venues lock, stock, and barrell. No TV, no radio, no print, no internet, PERIOD! Release the results in a simple press release afterward and be done with it. THREE, select the venue less than 6 months ahead of time and demand that it have all the necessary facilities (which wouldn’t be much) in place. Ideally, the games would eventually settle into a single site, and then all the political brou-ha-ha over site selection would cease altogether. Limit spectators at any one event to the first few hundred or so that show up (no tickets). FOUR, return the judging to the athletes themselves in the judged events. Who to judge their own performances better than the athletes themselves?

      • the Heretick says:

        considering the marathon is named after a battle between 2 slave holding powers? what should we expect? consider also that the sports held in ancient times were thinly veiled combat skills, javelins being used in battle as well as the games, they even had their early version of MMA or ultimate fighting.
        but really, come on, what you suggest is never going to happen. the Olympics is for little semi-rich kids, kids whose parents have the money to pay for the lessons, the outfits, the trips to Vail, Aspen, Snowmass, etc. etc.
        sure a few ghetto rats might sneak in, exception that proves the rule.

        all this while Detroit and San Bernardino are going thru bankruptcy, the US has raised the debt limit, etc. etc.

        point is that the Russians are behaving exactly the way we would if this was happening in Mexico, it’s their turf, I don’t see why we would have any opinion on it at all.

        • Disaffected says:

          but really, come on, what you suggest is never going to happen. the Olympics is for little semi-rich kids, kids whose parents have the money to pay for the lessons, the outfits, the trips to Vail, Aspen, Snowmass, etc. etc. Sure a few ghetto rats might sneak in, exception that proves the rule.

          Actually, the full professionalization of the Olympics didn’t take place until the 90s under the auspices of the US and the US ‘Dream Team’ in basketball (in particular). Yeah, that had a been a couple of decades in the works, but it is at least conceivable that the Olympics could still revert to an earlier time and ethic not too far in the past, although as you say HT, it grows more unlikely by the day. One can dream, can’t one?

          And yeah, I don’t begrudge the Russians hostility points one bit for this whole Ukraine misadventure, although your Mexican analogy is a bit misplaced. Hell, the US government has been so busy subverting Mexico, all of Central America, and most of South America for at least 50 years now that it’s almost inconceivable that another foreign power could get their foot in the door edge wise. Apparently the nightmare of Kennedy and Cuba still reverberates throughout the halls of power in DC all too loud and clear.

  8. kulturcritic says:

    Небесна Сотня – The Heavenly Hundred – Ukrainian aftermath from the American led plot of coup d’etat.

    • the Heretick says:

      i’ve no clue what the words mean, but that is very dark, gloomy, and beautiful.
      my advice to the Europeans, and to the US would be to back off from these people.
      we have had one big war in this country, over 100 years ago, and make no mistake, it was the first modern war, especially from the logistical point of view, but we have forgotten.
      yes, we all know someone who died in Nam, our Dads served in the big one, but we Americans have no clue, all our deaths happened “over there”.
      I suspect that the Slavic people have a much more informed view of these matters, and will be much more serious right from the get-go.

      it’s a shame really, human suffering, waste of resources physically, mentally, and psychologically.

      • Disaffected says:

        Who’d a thunk it? The domino theory alive and well over 50 years after we thought it had been discredited for good. Some gifts just keep on giving.

  9. kulturcritic says:

    Reid, you may continue to ignore the facts of US covert intervention at various levels, but you do so willfully ignorant of those very facts.

    “Provincial governments in eastern and southern Ukraine that formerly were part of Russia are organizing militias against the ultra-nationalist threat unleashed by Washington’s stupidity and incompetence and by the naive and gullible Kiev protesters… Where does Obama find morons like Susan Rice and Victoria Nuland? These two belong in a kindergarten for mentally handicapped children, not in the government of a superpower where their ignorance and arrogance can start World War 3.

    Ukraine is far more important to Russia than it is to the US or EU. If the situation in Ukraine spirals out of control and right-wing extremists seize control, Russian intervention is certain. The arrogant and stupid Obama regime has carelessly and recklessly created a direct strategic threat to the existence of Russia.”

    • Why me? What facts have I ignored? I don’t see what this has to do with anything I’ve said.
      There was an agreement a couple days ago. The opposition broke it. That was a screw up and bad faith. Did Washington have something to do with that? I don’t know. I do know about the Right Sector, and they are dangerous. The author doesn’t say what Washington is supposed to do at this point. If he is saying they should have cooperated with Russia back in December, we know that. It’s old news. The links he references are informative, but since he himself has already been deceptive about what Nuland actually said in a former post, and the strident and hyperventilated nature of his writing, I can’t put much credence into his interpretations.
      For example: “Americans have no idea that the neoconservative regime of the White House Fool is leading them into a Great Power Confrontation that could end in destruction of life on earth.” If the Russians come in like they did in Georgia, Obama won’t do didley, and he shouldn’t.

    • the Heretick says:

      the level of naïveté displayed by the American people is delicately nurtured by the multi-nationals which own the media. the strategic importance of the Black Sea region cannot be overestimated, as in Afghanistan, I suspect there are vital economic interests which are never being discussed.
      I further suspect that the aforementioned multinationals are behind this entire dark comedy, power stations in India standing idle for lack of natural gas being a parallel example.

      Mr. Roberts is completely correct about Ms. Rice and Ms. Nuland,as evidenced by the deaths in Benghazi, the incompetence of the Obama administration is mind-boggling, . this is what happens when morons motivated by idealism try to play grown up games. witness the unintended (?) effects of the ACA.

      of course when you are not operating from a position of correct political analysis, when you try to play act as if the iron hell of capitalist exploitation does not exist, well, these are the results you can expect.

      I do not think that the presence of US naval vessels in the area for “protection” of Sochi athletes is any coincidence, but that excuse is over, and I would expect Russia to react to their continued presence about the same way the US would to an Iranian frigate steaming into New York harbor. well the analogy may be a bit outlandish, but I am sure you get my drift.

      once again, some of these men, they impress me as being so hard that they would serve as a roller rink. I would expect rough sledding for anyone getting tangled up in this clusterfuck.

      the American intelligentsia seems to have lost their grip on reality on a wide range of issues, which can only be expected when you reside in a cocoon in a hothouse.

      pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, just click your heels together, and say, there’s no place like home,there’s no place like home,there’s no place like home………….

      • Disaffected says:

        Big money and strategic positioning for the west, another piece of the former empire potentially lost for Russia. Evidently the protest movement in Ukraine hasn’t been staying abreast of Greece, Italy, and Ireland’s many woes, or maybe they wouldn’t be so anxious to take their leap into the great unknown. Unfettered western capitalist access and influence won’t be anything like they imagine it will be. Sad thing is, this kind of thing is guaranteed to continue to keep happening. Ravenous western capitalist markets looking for their fix of a fresh infusion of new resources to be exploited demand it.

        • You think Ukrainians are better off now than the Greeks, Italy, and Ireland? I don’t. Maybe the attraction of the unknown is more attractive than treading water in a cesspool,. They decide.

          • Disaffected says:

            They decide. You’re right, that’s the bottom line. As to where they’re better off, time will tell. I think they’re between a rock and a hard place to tell the truth. Door number one or door number two. Pick your poison.

            • kulturcritic says:

              He hyperventilates no more than any other news source… and at least he is honest and independent.  Obama better not get his shit in there otherwise it might mean the EOTWAWKI

            • kulturcritic says:

              All part of the HOME team, skippy!

            • Disaffected says:

              From ‘Warren’ over at the

              It seems that Ukraine has to choose whether it wishes to be a vassal state of the EU or of Russia, in other words to choose which will loot its resources.
              Ukraine will probably split in two, the east going to the Russians and the west going to the EU, so they both can loot it and turn its population into serfs.

              Perhaps the EU will itself dissolve before then, as countries such as Greece and Spain tire of having their future sacrificed on the Altar of the European unity. I wonder as the European project collapses, will the snipers of Ukraine find employ in the streets of Athens as the bureaucrats in Brussels fight to hold it all together?

      • What in the world did Nuland and Rice have to do with Benghazzi?

        • the Heretick says:

          my comments were directed more at the dog and pony show that is our current puppet administration. my view of Rice trotting out to deliver misleading remarks on a serious matter such as how we managed to get our ambassador killed speaks to the total lack of competence in our handling of foreign affairs.

          who made the decision to plop an ambassador down in the middle of a war zone of our own creation? what kind of a foreign policy team presides over a fiasco such as this?

          the thrust of the Roberts article is this lack of competence. i stand by my assertion that these people live in a dream world, a dream world that it a nightmare for the rest of the planet. what interests do we have in Ukraine? what “assets” are we protecting? is the sole function of our govt. to safeguard corporate assets? or is our govt. supposed to look out for all the citizens instead of serving the wealthy few?

          i see in the news where the EU will have conditions for Ukraine joining their little club, undoubtedly austerity measures mixed with a good measure of ne debt.

          • Disaffected says:

            i see in the news where the EU will have conditions for Ukraine joining their little club, undoubtedly austerity measures mixed with a good measure of new debt

            My points exactly. I wonder if the “protesters” have any idea how draconian such measures are likely to be? Either way, they’ve uncorked the witches brew now, and their options are likely to be unsavory no matter which way they turn. “Russian spring?” They better hope it turns out better than their Arab counterparts’ did, but I wouldn’t bet on it. And The Long Descent continues…

    • Disaffected says:

      When I saw McCain beaming on Meet the Press yesterday after personally stirring up events on the ground in Ukraine earlier, I knew we were watching another US sponsored coups d’etat in progress. Why didn’t the Viet Cong finish that rat bastard off when they had the chance? (We gave them carpet bombing and napalm, they gave us back McCain) Whatever shitstorm this starts for Washington they surely deserve it. Too bad the Ukrainian people have to be the ones to bear the brunt of it.

    • DrCiber says:

      I read it, and of course there are no surprises there. Only a total fool could think that the spaghetti hitting the fan in Ukraine “just happened” to coincide with the Sochi Olympics. Ol’ Vladimir & crew let themselves get outmaneuvered on that one. Very unlikely that a squadron of heavy armor would come rolling out of some Russian base in the Crimea while Sochi was getting so much airplay around the world. I’ll bet they’re sitting around at State about now slappin’ themselves on the back over how cool they all are. –I mean the real State Dept., not that front organization headed up by Sen. Kerry. Only thing is, if you don’t think that Moscow, even if it doesn’t call the current Western bluff (they still could), won’t find a way to make Washington take it up the ass in return, you know nothing about the Bear.

      This whole beltway organized meddling is for stupidity on a par with Khrushchev sending nukes to Cuba in 1962. Literally in Russia’s front yard, and they definitely won’t just let it pass.

  10. Disaffected says:

    Just to add, nice to see you dipping your feet in the political cultural wars in earnest with this one Sandy. In the end, all politics is local as they say, and all culture is political. As Greer and Kunstler are all too quick to remind us, this is what the Long Descent looks like. Culture wars over this, that, and the other as each, in turn, grows shorter and shorter in supply. Global, national, regional, and local hegemons of every stripe fighting for the remaining scraps as the ship goes down, with the rest of us caught in the crosshairs and fighting our own battles with one another in turn. In short, this is what the rest of our lives looks like from here on out – first world or third – and there simply ain’t no hiding from that fact. You might think that we in the US might be heeding the words of Russians who should know and have laid our likely future out for us in black and white like Dmitry Orlov, but of course you’d be wrong. There’s simply no accounting for the extreme hubris the US has been cursed with, and in the end, will be our epitaph.

    Shelley’s Ozymandias

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.

    • Disaffected says:


    • An excellent article with hard information devoid of wild speculation.

    • kulturcritic says:

      Reid. It is a good article. And it validates everything I have said. Unfortunately, it is also full of poetic overstatement and wild-eyed speculations… just like mine. So do me a favor and give it a rest. Go back to setting tiles in the bathroom. Love, sandy

    • the Heretick says:

      ” The victors are preparing a military operation against the Russian-speaking areas in the South East of Ukraine. The spectacle of the revolution can yet turn really bloody.”

      so, this guy thinks there is another shoe yet to drop. it is still wintertime.

      i’ll say it again, I don’t think the proles here in the US have a clue, the guy says as much about Occupy. I think the intelligentsia have a pretty good idea, but they either don’t care, or they kind of like the idea.

  11. Another one by the same guy:
    if even half of what the author says is true, Ukraine needs to reject the EU for its own good.

    • Disaffected says:

      Sounds like all the post WWII agreements are coming undone one by one. And with them, much of the basis for globalization, at least on its present terms. That said, the resulting uncertainty just makes it all the easier for the so-called ‘venture capitalists’ to go in and raid what’s left on whatever terms they make up. Not hard to imagine all of this and more coming unraveled very quickly! As you say, probably better the devil you know (Putin) than the one knocking at the door with the lofty promises.

  12. the Heretick says:

    now we have the big O supposedly cutting the US military? has the Nobel peace prize president come to his senses? or has the bite finally been too much? maybe they did the math as yours truly has pointed out?
    is his highness merely feinting to the left and getting ready for the roundhouse right?
    no better way to blame a military buildup on those evil right-wingers than by “gutting’ our armed forces.
    and that mean old Vlad, exercising that creaky old Roooshun army, hope them old boys don’t have a heart attack, ack, ack, ack…………………………

    what? the Chermann’s going to be on our side this time?

    I thought they had gone green, will we be treated to the roll out of the new solar-powered Panzer?

    this is truly fascinating. what will the West do if Mr. Putin does decide he doesn’t care to have NATO on his very doorstep?

    I don’t believe this is over for a second.

    • Disaffected says:

      Rule of thumb: whenever US military cuts are discussed it always only refers to personnel and/or benefit cuts, gee-whiz techno wiz-bang stuff being sacrosanct. And I think we’re going to find out what the west’s response will be shortly to Putin, cause I don’t think for a minute he’s going to put up with the current bullshit in Ukraine for long. My guess? A lot of hand wringing, public denunciations, and of course the mow ubiquitous economic sanctions. The west doesn’t have a lot of cards to play directly in this situation. Too many vital energy considerations to weigh first.

  13. Colin says:

    I’ve been out of town and away from my computer for a while but man I really have been wanting to comment on this situation in the Ukraine. Here’s what’s standing out to me like a sore thumb:

    The US has been using the language of “non-interventionism” to pontificate foreign policy to Putin and the Russians with regards to staying out of the Ukraine’s internal affairs. Just hearing this rhetoric makes the hair on my neck stand up. Everything the US stands for and most certainly its current incarnation of the POTUS, reeks of interventionism. Obama made his speech yesterday about “non-intervention” on the heels of Secretary of State John Kerry’s comments where he said the US was acting like a “poor nation” for not having taken military action in Syria.

    What a sorry lot these people are. Kerry in particular should be deeply ashamed after running on a non-interventionist platform against George Bush in 2004. Does this man have any memory or values to speak of? What about Obama and his constant meddling in Africa and Syria? And of course none of this begins to even scratch the surface of the hypocrisy we have illustrated by giving a billion dollars to the new Ukrainian Government….

  14. Disaffected says:

    Looks like this whole thing is really coming undone just as you predicted Sandy. Obama is now doing his best saber rattling routine right on cue, but even MSM US commenters are openly acknowledging that there’s not much he can do. Yeah, there will be economic sanctions of course, but in this case, they could easily cut both ways. So it appears the US will finally get some long overdue international comeuppance in the only arena that really matters anymore. Putin’s likely response: you play economic games with us, we’ll play energy games with you and your European allies. With Ukrainians caught firmly in the crosshairs. Sooner or later it was bound to happen.

  15. Colin says:

    Sandy it looks like you called it spot on – this whole things was being string-pulled by the west from the get-go.

    If any of you have a chance to watch this video it will tell you so much more than you’ll ever hear from a mainstream media outlet….

  16. kunyka says:

    May I ask WTF you want our people be DEAD?

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