The New Dark Ages: Amerika 2020


I was inspired this week by a phrase from the great Jim Kunstler in his most recent CFN column, The Snapback: “Thus the nation enters its new dark age.”

It seems to me Jim’s comment here telescopes a much broader phenomenon just noticeable on the darkening horizon in this, the twilight of Western Civilization.  A new monastic order is already emerging to fill the gap in this, our new ‘Dark Ages’ – as scholars (perhaps prematurely) designated those years between the Fall of the Roman Empire and the birth of the Renaissance. This new ruling elite will pretend to be the keepers of the flame of human knowledge and righteousness, safeguarding key elements of the erstwhile Curriculum of the West, while we all dutifully await the establishment of the kingdom of god on earth.

The lunatic fringe of politicos, headed by retro-Nazi zombies like Texan-Canadian US Senator, Teddie the Cruzader, a self-styled dominionist prophet, would-be king over a new heaven and a soon-to-be denuded earth – whose father is Rafael Cruz, a rabid right-wing Christian preacher and director of the Purifying Fire International Ministry – together with his fanatical gun-totting-lobby of old-rebel believers, will strictly and mortally enforce the morality of global expansionism (dominion), economic serfdom, and self-immolation upon the pitchforks of capital. This will be the plight of the tired and unwashed masses, as the newly self-anointed masters of the universe cruzade against the unregenerate and disenfranchised among us, seeking to rid the earth once and for all of the disease-spreading vermin of overpopulation.  Don’t misunderstand me, I am not an advocate of gun control (and that is merely a sideshow in any event), but it is a very frightening idea to have a bunch of fanatic Christian zombies (just as it is to have possessed Moslem jihadists) walking the streets with firearms, locked and loaded, dressed in christened camouflage, and ready to kill the infidels.

Look in the mirror, folks.  You are either saved or among the walking dead; ‘you are either with us or against us’ in the immortal words of his highness, George W (the burning) Bush.

As the Gospel of John, the Book of Revelations, clearly prophesized, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse will emerge, – Monsanto, Nestle, Apple, Lockheed-Martin and, of course, their general… General Electric – destroying the old and bringing to life a new world order, with its own priestly class, and their minions propped up by this Holy Corporate Oligarchy. This new priestly class will keep the flame of the Western Curriculum burning brightly in its sanctuaries of power; in the midst of darkness, the curriculum of the West will be sanctified and protected behind their gated compounds, buried within their treasure troves of extravagance and prestige.  They alone will be a light unto the world, and they will bring death and destruction to the vast majority of the world’s population… as they must if they are to survive and keep the fires burning brightly with the last remnants of fossil fuel.

We, who are not among the elect, yet fortunate (or is it ‘unlucky’) enough to escape the extermination camps, will lead nomadic underground lives, shuttling by cover of now permanent darkness, from cave to cave, tree hollow to tree hollow, surviving off the rotting corpses of our fallen comrades and the discarded scraps of the priestly class, as they continue litering the wasteland with their leftovers and post-civilized excrement.

91 Responses to The New Dark Ages: Amerika 2020

  1. Sandy, I do feel that we, humans, have gone into the spaces where we cannot avoid blood in the streets, famine, war, plagues, floods and death. It seems those who think they are in control are either deniers of climate change. I shudder when I hear them saying that with the ice caps meting they can get at all the resources, rather than grasping how this signifies the end of the world as it has been for life the past 25,000 years. If things get too bad, they expect their money and/or their imaginary friend in the sky to fix things. I also wonder if anyone has thought to check those oar fish washing up on the Pacific coast for radiation? If the deep ocean is poisoned, we are totally screwed. And so it goes…

  2. namfos says:

    A good soundtrack for your posting would be Talking Heads’ Life During Wartime, Sandy

  3. Ralph Meima says:

    Sandy, this is one of the more lugubrious (and convincing) explanations of our time’s preoccupation with zombies. But don’t you think that the RosiCruzians’ cruzade will be violently contested, a clash of faiths? With all the technology around today, it doesn’t have to look like old-fashioned holy wars or Inquisitions, but instead a Reformation, a new 30-years’ war, with different faiths vying for domination, including liberal modernism, old-style Confederate Christian authoritarianism, technocratic authoritarianism and Mafia-ruled klepto-feudalism? Aren’t we all trying to figure out which side we’re on and where the greatest threats lie?

    For a detailed look at how things might unravel through 2040, see my serial novel, Inter States, at The 16th installment will be out before the end of October.


  4. Jack Waddington says:

    It’s sad really as I’ve long said that it was in my country (UK) that it all started, when it seemed righteous that we could and should conquer the world and to hell with the natives we found in our path. We fell from grace because one of those conquered lands took it upon themselves to vanquish the monarchy and create their own (independence). Not that I’m against independence … but by NOT acknowledging the civilization in this newly discovered land and at least incorporating them into their living and way of living there (other than once a year giving lip service to a day of ‘Thanks Giving’), they in their declaration set up the very thing they’d granted themselves Independence from.

    It was hence inevitable that eventually it would self destruct and the signs as you note are becoming more and more obvious.

    I’ve more than once suggested that the saving of our species lies on the abolition or the notion of “rulers and the ruled”. The idea has been around for more than 400 years and several attempts by those who in earlier times saw the REAL LIGHT have made several attempts since … but alas, the rulers (elites) saw the danger and squashed it out before it really gained momentum.

    The question out there is will there become a critical mass of humans that will see this “REAL LIGHT” … OR … will a preacher of hell and damnation’s son be given the helm. I rest my “case”.

    Jack Waddington

  5. Malthus says:

    There’s that word again overpopulation. It keeps raising its ugly head more and more these days. Probably something to it. I have always felt the nomad way of life was the best in the long run. Either that or you get caught in the cultural cycles of life. over and over again. Who in the hell came up with the idea of a calendar anyway instead of just relying on seasons. Here comes the circus of Christmas again as Kunstler put it, and around and around we go. I myself think Mr. Kunstler is correct in predicting 2014 as the year big changes will come, much earlier than 2020. This is history in the making and another fall of a self appointed great nation back into the dust bin of fallen glory.

    • Disaffected says:

      A slow motion (in real time) disaster unfolding all around us. In the long run, the survivors will look back and say, “Couldn’t those rubes understand what was happening to them?”

      • DrCiber says:

        The “rubes”, which is damn near all of us, can’t see it any better than the nameless Easter Islander who cut down the last tree on his formerly thickly forested homeland.

  6. Mike Sosebee says:

    In the generally accepted theory of masochism: the tendency to derive pleasure, esp. sexual gratification, from one’s own pain or humiliation, there is a peculiar and throughly modern twist on this theme referred to as “moral masochism”.

    “Unlike all other masochists, the moral masochist is apparently doing something other than following a somewhat unconventional—though per Freud perfectly explicable—route to pleasure. He is not, in the mode of a medieval Christian saint, mortifying the flesh in order to draw closer to the divine and achieve perfetta letizia (“perfect joy”), but is intentionally—if perhaps unconsciously—chasing after unhappiness (Benevuto 2003). Why would he do such a thing?
    Freud’s answer, writ short, is guilt. More specifically, an “unconscious” sense of guilt, or “need for punishment.” So strong is this need that the moral masochist who seeks psychoanalytic treatment for neurotic disorders will fail to recover, since holding on to the neurosis is a form of self-punishment. Further, Freud argues, that the separation from erotogenesis is only apparent. In the process of taming the death drive, human beings develop what is called a conscience, or in Freudian terms, a superego.”

    Heroic Masochism: Masculine Privilege and the Uses of Pain, Steven L. Gardner

    A lot of people who I read and listen to are afflicted by Cassandra’s Curse: someone who believes they perceive the future that portends death; unable to convince their unbelieving contemporaries of the “truth” are then persecuted/run out or in earlier times burned at the stake. (my personal favorite)

    What is the difference between “Casandra’s Curse” and a “moral masochist”? Damn little seems to me but it’s early.

  7. Disaffected says:

    Looks like that Walk Hard! scenario might not be so outlandish after all, huh?

    But yeah, once the corporate elite realize the handwriting’s on the wall regarding humanity’s future (and I think they already do), they’re gonna do what corporate elite do; make plans to downsize the consumer base and consolidate the remaining assets. Ferals revolt while you still can I say!

  8. FIDO says:

    This dark age which we are talking about was really started by the war on poverty and the war on drugs in the 1970’s. The chaos spread and spread until it lead to the backlash that the liberal elites had not expected. Rather than dealing with the backlash with an intelligent response, the left failed to respond to the cone pone neo-Nazis like Cruz and Brownback who unfortunately has a whole state under his thumb. Obama has not proven effective and even worse has expanded the war on terror, whatever that means. Ultimately all of these wars are unwinnable and what is worse, they compound on each other. My take on the dark ages is that they will be a time of unspeakable horror and death. Perhaps 50 % of the population of the west will perish and much of the remaining will be too traumatized to care. Massive death will take place on a scale that will dwarf the black death and the 1918 Flu Pandemic. The few thinking intellectuals and thinkers will ponder the chaos and death and will throw up their hands and say there are no answers, no solutions and no sense of the massive and truly TEOTWAWKI. The only hope for survival is going to be monastic feudal and local orders that take on the task of reorganization of the remaining citizenry. We know what our fates will be , we just haven’t grasped them yet.

    • Disaffected says:

      Archdruid’s latest and ongoing series of posts project the rise of religion, a placeholder for our irrational and sometimes superstitious impulses, once again to counter the failure of our current rationalism, which sounds about right to me. Cruz and the T-Party conservative morons seem to be embodying that movement as we speak, although I’m certain there will be more virulent strains coming along all the time as the collapse commences. And in fact, there likely will BE no answers, other than the obvious one of course. We’ve over bred and over saturated our environment, then treated it like our own personal toilet to boot. The results were completely predictable, and in fact WERE predicted by many, but greed and inertia held sway until we arrived at our current predicament – damned if we do and and damned if we don’t. Do the things we need to do – de-industrialize and stop all this perpetual growth madness – and the die-off starts immediately, albeit possibly somewhat orderly. Don’t do those things and the die-off will happen anyway according to its own terms, almost certainly catastrophically. So it’s pick your poison at this point for the west, although it seems we’ve already made our choice. True to our Hollywood roots, it looks like the Thelma and Louise ending will be our fate.

      • kulturcritic says:

        The interesting thing is, DA, that modern Christianity (and perhaps all Abrahamic faiths) emulate the rationalism of the scientific worldview, i.e., the Curriculum, because they first breathed life into that worldview with the emergence of the written word and the birth of historical consciousness — with the concept to destiny, the chosen people (the elect, the exceptional), with progress towards a goal, in short, with salvation! So they see themselves a natural carriers of the torch, or maybe we should say, of the disease of civilization, upon which we must declare war if we are to survive. That is now the only war worth waging… the war to end this 6,000 year experiment. Problem is, I just don’t have the balls to take that one on. But, our fate seems sealed in any event. So don’t worry… be happy!

        • Disaffected says:

          Agreed. I recall that the Christian gnostics (the completely “irrational” wing) were also given their day during the reformation and, not surprisingly, rejected, shunned, and suppressed in favor of the modern hierarchical equivalent. But yeah, civilization seems to have run its course at this point, no doubt about that. Even the “pro-growth” crowd seems to have lost all conviction at this point. They’re really just resorting to throwing feces at the wall to see what sticks (quantitative easing anyone?) at this point. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of lunatic the US turns to in 2016 in the wake of the failed Obama experiment. Someone in the mold of Cruz, especially in light of the demonstrated proclivity of the US electorate to swing hard left and then hard right by turns? Very possibly.

        • Malthus says:

          I really wish I could understand the concept of religion and a god or gods. Whenever you all bring up the subject of religion I totally go unconscious. It makes not sense to me what so ever. I am what I would call spiritual in the sense that the planet, stars, galaxies, dimensions, parallel universes are what seems to me a part of nature and me. I feel them more than I see them and even though I read others thinking about them to me it is an emotional response not a logical one. I just had to say that because many here have brought the subject of religion in its many forms and appear to have really looked into it and I just look at it and read it and it seems to me like believing in the tooth fairy or a free market.

          • Disaffected says:

            It’s hero worship, plain and simple. The belief in an externalized ultimate man.

            • Ron McCafferty says:

              Start with a bowl of misunderstanding, add some superstition, blend in some fire and brimstone then add a little ignorance and fear for good measure, and bake. While still piping hot serve to the poorly educated. Some people drink, some do drugs or other addictions. Some use religion to deal with their shitty lives.

    • Disaffected says:

      Just to add, referring to Kansas (and most of it’s midwest neighbors for that matter) as a “state” is being generous. A “state of in-bred insanity” is more fitting. Must be something in the water…

  9. I kind of think it’s going to be the bug that’ll bring in the new Dark Ages I hinted at this on a post I wrote in November ’11 called, “Playing with Fire” which spoke of a new strain of H5N1 “bird flu” that was mammal-to-mammal transmittable. Once this cuite gets airborne and into the general population, we’ll see our dearly beloved civilization come to a crash.

    With our screwing with the environment and increasing chances for viruses to spread, overpopulation, our bombing whole civilian populations-increasing the chances for diseases to spread, compromising health…you name it. It would be too easy for a pandemic to hit. And with today’s air travel time, we could hasten this in little time. Then afterwards, the body count rises and the nations start to tumble…

    My guesstimate is that this could come within the next 5-10 years. When it’s all said and done, we’ll have little “Kingdoms” comprised of desperate survivors that will range from kibbutzes/communes to X-tian fundagelical “Jesus camps” where Cruz-like individuals will try to create a new Inquisition and Crusades. However, if we do see a Renaissance at the end of the tunnel just be sure to know that religion-whatever stripe-will be relegated away from the table for good.


    • Disaffected says:

      If the Global Warming projections are true, any projected renaissance will likely have to wait for several thousand years for population levels to recover. Myself, I’m skeptical that we can even survive the changes at all as a species, but in any case, we’ll come out of it completely transformed if we do.

    • Ron McCafferty says:

      I agree. Religion makes promises they cannot keep, i.e. heaven/hell, 72 virgins, rapture, etc. When these people see the death and destruction and there is no heaven in site they will most likely flee from anything religious.

      • Disaffected says:

        The Archdruid is evidently enamored with it if his latest posts are any indication. But he’s also a strong believer in the “that’s the way things have always been, so that’s the way things more than likely will always be” credo, so there ya go. I agree with him that religion probably serves a social good as a stabilizer during times of great upheaval (when mass insanity normally rules anyway), but I still think it’s an overall negative that’s compounded during relatively prosperous times, where it just causes mischief due to the mass insanity it creates.

  10. Disaffected says:

    Just to pile on Ted Cruz a little bit, he’s also a big oil shill who resides in Houston (of all places!), and his parents were both in the oil business as well, owning a seismic-data processing firm in Canada. He’s steeped in the “free market” (aka, “free to be looted and plundered by savvy connected insiders) economics persuasion (Princeton and Harvard) as well as the Christian fundamentalist insanity, so T-Party idiots have hit the trifecta with this numb-nut cocksucker: big oil affiliation, a Christian fundamentalist, and strong “free market” philosophical persuasion. And yes, watching him on the telly, he instantly comes across as a cheesy big box fundamentalist snake oil salesman. Daddy has even dubbed him “the anointed one.” Ain’t that sweet? And to think, I thought he was just another fat-assed, rich, connected Texas blowhard in the mold of W, albeit with an actual education. Wjhat he IS, however, is a sign of things to come.

  11. the Heretick says:

    there’s no shortage of candidates for the culling, it’s just the mechanism which is in question
    Hunting the Nightmare Bacteria
    FRONTLINE investigates the rise of deadly drug-resistant bacteria.
    seems saving people’s lives put others art risk, there is just no escaping the fact that actions have consequences.
    in the end the show devolves into just another advertisement for govt. funding of further drug research so that even more superbugs can be induced.

    to the point of the post
    “We, who are not among the elect, yet fortunate (or is it ‘unlucky’) enough to escape the extermination camps, will lead nomadic underground lives, shuttling by cover of now permanent darkness, from cave to cave, tree hollow to tree hollow, surviving off the rotting corpses of our fallen comrades and the discarded scraps of the priestly class, as they continue littering the wasteland with their leftovers and post-civilized excrement.”

    not a bad description of the lives some people already live, never owning even a scrap of land, renting where they live, many times in neighborhoods where a cave might be an improvement.
    a world alive with the light of signage and strip malls, big screens and streetlights, all promoting a darkness of the mind…………………….
    this is all you can expect really from a society which worships dead labor, and turns living people into dead things. objectification, quantification, commodification, and death.

    “The question today, then, is whether the world’s populations are not close to having done with soft sciences and technologies, which still take into account the preservation of the planet and its inhabitants; whether they are not now in danger of being swept away by the terrorist excesses of a Laputian ratio, a universal philanoia attacking a human species which has become ‘undesirable’ in its entirety, the scandal of an Earth which is, so far as we know, the only biosphere in the solar system.”
    ― Paul Virilio, Ground Zero

    • Disaffected says:

      The co-opting of NPR’s funding by radical right wing sources (most notably the Koch bunch) is well documented. Gotta admire the right wing’s full spectrum focus on propaganda/messaging. Big money will do that for you.

      And yes, death – whether it be “death care” before you die, or the shameless “eternal care” funeral industry after – is BIG business these days. In the end, just as in the Nazi extermination camps, even your corpse is reduced to a commodity.

  12. the Heretick says:

    Brutus has a good essay over on The Spiral Staircase
    i found the first few paragraphs to be illuminating, especially the reference to the “ascent tradition”.

    • Disaffected says:

      Nice link. I see that the author touched on Kunstler’s idea of “magical thinking” as well as Obama’s almost religious appeal in 2008. Alas, another “Saviour” bit the dust all too soon afterward. So it is with saviors in general these days. The few things we could do to actually possibly save ourselves we can’t and/or won’t do, and all the rest of this madness just logically follows.

  13. Fido says:

    Well, Ted Cruz seems to be the bastard of the moment and I wouldn’t put anything past him,but really the one you must worry about is Brownback. He is as bad as da Cruzer and a brown shirt to boot. The man does not give a damm about anyone but the KOCH brothers and the fundi crazies. It is going to be like Dr, Strangelove. Secondly, The man is a Washington Insider who is very very evil

    • kulturcritic says:

      If you just look at the whores in our govt you know this is nazi germany revisited on the horizon.

      • the Heretick says:

        not to be argumentative (heaven forbid), but i would say that the current administration has done as much as anyone in recent history to further this country down the road to fascism.
        drone wars, indefinite detention, offshore interrogations, even progressive groups have stated that they are even less transparent than the Shrubs. oh sure, their machinations have been covered up with a big smiley face, but when you really take a look behind the mask, same old, same old.
        and really, what could be a greater collaboration between Big Business and gubbamint then the ACA? not forgetting of course how the drug companies skated out the back door after their White House meetings. isn’t that pretty much the definition of fascism, no matter the flavor.

        as for Cruz? please, he has about a snowballs chance. hard to say who the right will cough up, their best bet is Jeb Bush, like he has much of a chance with the Dragon Lady waiting in the wings. or is Kerry being groomed? hence the Sec. of State job?

        the Shrub definitely devalued the Republican brand, Obomber has done the same for the Dems, except of course for the true believers. i just don’t think a fringe candidate such as Cruz or Brownback can poll high enough to go anywhere and they know it.
        when the costs of the ACA start to bite, and when the debt has ballooned so big that no amount of bond issues can float our currency? well, i wouldn’t rule out a military takeover, just not of the flavor you foresee.

        just as an aside, it is not just Reich wingers who can suffer from the Cartesian mentality, linearity mixed well with the messianic complex has pretty much permeated our thinking.

        • Disaffected says:

          The thing about Brownback, Cruz, and other extremists is that running for President actually diminishes them, as they have to moderate their actions somewhat to play that game. The real power brokers – Cheney is the shining example here – all know that wielding REAl power is more often accomplished from the safety of lesser positions where the spotlight doesn’t shine so bright. So yeah, Jeb Bush or similar might be a good stooge to put up for the job. He’s perceived as being moderate and thus safe on most issues, so he provides excellent cover for the extremist elements that tag along on his coat tails, just as ‘W’ did so well for 8 long years. HillBillary is WAY too polarizing (and OLD!) at this point, and John Kerry? Are you kidding? I don’t know anyone left or right that would vote for that stupid ass for anything. But look young as well. The kids are now determining things, and I think they’re done voting for the graying set.

      • Dr. Ciber says:

        “…this is nazi germany revisited on the horizon” If that’s the way it looks, it’s only appearances. Clearly the “event horizon” for totalitarianism in the USA has long since been crossed.

    • Disaffected says:

      In “defense” of Brownback, he’s a little less polished in his sales pitch and wears his fundamentalist Christianity leanings on his sleeve. Cruz has a more charismatic, used car salesman, kind of appeal, which would seem to have a broader appeal to those on the fence. But you’re right, I see more and more people down off the fence, and more and more of them are coming down conservative now that Obama has served his role by further poisoning the “liberal Democrat” label. But in the end, that’s who Americans are by and large. Racist, homophobic, imperialist little vermin who just want theirs, the rest of the world/universe be damned. Liberalism generally only flourishes when times are good. When things turn sour like after 9-11, our natural nationalist Nazi tendencies surface again almost immediately.

      • Fido says:

        Just a note, my question is who is going to play the Hindenburg role in the new reich ?
        Who is going to do what when and where ?

        Questions and more questions…

        My future has no future and not one to bemoan my fate however. I feel rather sorry for the kids who will be thrust into the impending doom that we will be facing. My nieces and nephews will face a world not of their choosing. My fellow disabled citizens don’t seem to get it anyway and most are too drugged up to give a flying rats ass. The only people who seemingly have a clue are the few here and in the think tanks. I have reached a sad conclusion: The people are going to be in for a nasty shock and it will be sooner than most think. All I can say is that the Alamo is going to be replayed many many times as groups of people , mainly the haves try to hold on to what they have. Whatever happens, it is not going to be pretty. Soylent Green is made of people !!!!!

        • Disaffected says:

          Just a note, my question is who is going to play the Hindenburg role in the new reich ?

          That’s an interesting question. Once again, I think it supports the idea of a turncoat/trojan horse “democrat” like Obama being placed in power prior to a possibly staged collapse (the collapse will be real, but will be carefully orchestrated behind the scenes), who will then instigate a government crackdown to restore civil order and then possibly be “forced” to turn over power to even more extreme elements afterward, or just take a hard right turn him or herself. Could even involve an assassination, either real or staged. Or, it could involve a suspension of the constitution as in myWalk Hard! dity, where Obama or someone else gets appointed ‘Supreme Ruler’ for the duration. At this point, I don’t eliminate anything from the realm of possibilities, but I would say the timeline for that latter scenario seems to be playing out nicely at this point. All we would need is a major economic shock and possibly another terrorist event/war or natural disaster to set it off. Could be that all the Tea Party nutbag hard-right hysteria is being staged purposely to stir up the poor fools who go in for that sort of thing, so that they’ll revolt on command, only to be put down forcibly by the powers that be. I think you really have to view all of the current political maneuverings in light of a classic Shakespearean morality play. What you see on display from all the major actors is definitely not what you’re actually getting.

          • the Heretick says:

            Why debt and money created ‘out of thin air’ are necessary, not evil
            and you can believe this guy, he has a cool hat, he’s hip.
            PBS also had a story about a new supertanker the other day, but i can’t find it.
            they also have a new show
            it is mind-boggling the machines that are necessary to keep the colossus on it’s feet.
            i think these shows are propaganda aimed at the intelligentsia to assure them that the jobs they perform are a true social good, a 21st century version of the white mans burden, transformed in this case to the smart (capitalist) people’s burden.
            it’s Murphy’s Law at work.
            running faster to stay in place. nevertheless, it’s true, keep things as they are and the society self-immolates, try to slow things down and watch the cities go up in flames.
            went to NBL or ADR and read some comment about 95% of the population being urban and the option of returning to the family farm no longer being available, duh.

            it’s called being painted into a corner.

            i can’t really judge how much of this mess is deliberate and how much is just happenstance, a (non)-organic growth.

            of all the people who i knew from the sixties and seventies? they all wear suits now, blended into the corporate landscape, some even consider themselves free thinkers; it’s understandable really, just looking out for themselves.

            still, it’s always the non-conformists, the outcasts, who usually point out the flaws in the system, perhaps precisely because it doesn’t work for them.

            • Disaffected says:

              Watching the morning politico talking head shows on TV while working out this morning almost drove me batshit. The speechifying now extends down to the low level watercarriers as well. Ask a question and get a prepared political speech not even closely related to the subject at hand in response. It’s all bullshit all of the time now.

  14. Jack Waddington says:

    Fido: I feel you are right on with your comment here. It’s not going to be pretty … least ways for a time before a critical mass, perhaps wakes up from the dream … call it the American dream … or the dream of those that are awaiting heaven … or some such other.

    For way too long … we humans lost our full faculty … my guess about 20,000 to 30,000 years ago … when we started down the path of losing half of our brain and began to think that we were the superior being. I doubt we”ll regain it all … however, we might regain just enough not to destroy what there is of life on this planet.

    My suggestion: We start by abolishing money and all forms of exchange. We’re the only creature on the planet that thinks we need it. sadly we (most of us) can’t see beyond it.


    • Disaffected says:

      The good news is, as far as money goes anyway, the Fed seems determined to destroy it anyway. The Ponzi Scheme that is exponential growth capitalism has just about run its course now, so it follows naturally that the money supply will collapse with it, with or without the Feds maniacal printing strategy. Neither are connected to the natural resource pool, especially energy, which is the basic fly in the ointment, and of course neither are our current population levels, which will collapse accordingly as well. That will be the messy painful part. Gonna suck to be human for awhile as nature takes its course.

  15. Malthus says:

    This is an especially good blog this week. It is showing me that the majority here are in much agreement of out future outcome and even though most of what is said is pretty much the same things each writer has their own style and flair on the subjects. Enough to make them really interesting and I always judge that by who I would like to have a beer and sit down with and have some laughs. Thanks to everyone that writes here. It is much better here than over J. Kunstlers way where I throw in a few thoughts just to see what troll is going to try to take a bite out of my ankles. Thanks Sandy for bringing us all together as only you can do.

  16. Jack Waddington says:

    Malthus: I completely agree: A great blog this week.

    I used to like James Howard Kunstler, but since changing his blog I now don’t respond. I never did worry about those wanting to bite my ankles … but I do worry about the state of humanity. Not for me, for I have done my time, but for the young coming up


  17. FIDO says:

    I still like JHK. He and Sandy have done so much to change my thinking and outlook. He is a bit scary but that is what is really in short supply today. We need to look at the real world for what it really is, not for what we want to pretend it is. Trolls be dammed. Screw them and the dammed Liars on the left and the right. Do what you can to enjoy your life. The next year may be your last one.

  18. Jack Waddington says:

    Fido: The next day may be my last … there’s seems to be no telling … though I would like to reach 90 as did my dad … but only if I am reasonably comfortable in my skin and that the mind is not deteriorating.

    For now I am enjoying life and sort of always did.

    I also agree that JHK and Sandy have contributed greatly, to the reality as I see it


    • kulturcritic says:

      Yes, it is moving more swiftly down that road, is it not, my friends? And, there is no light at the end of the tunnel… but you have all made this forum possible to consider the options we face. For that, I thank you all. sandy

      • Jack Waddington says:

        It’s not going to turn out like anyone thinks. It will perhaps start with and economic crash and then such institutions as the stock market will fizzle and suddenly all police forces will realize that no one is going to pay them and they too will fizzle and the same perhaps will happen with the military and people will start to walk into stores and just take food and no one will be able to stop them.

        Slowly there could be some violence to start off with, but those committing violence will begin to see the futility of their actions all and there will ensue a sort of sudden realization that there is the beginnings of real peace. There will be no leaders and anyone that tries to set up a leadership will realize there aren’t the institutions to maintain them. Slowly people will take over the corporations and organizations and shops but the people collectively will sort of realize that tasks need to get done and will continue to do what they always used to do except for those institutions that will cease to exist like government, police, military, coast guards, border patrols, etc.

        It will all begin eventually to settle and then there will be a collective realization that we could have been living this way for centuries. It won’t need organizing it will sort of organize itself. It’s not that this sort of things has not happened in the past and the greatest example was that, that began to take place in Catalonia at the beginning of the Spanish civil war. Also with the dissenters who left the city of London and set themselves up on common ground in Henley in the 15th century.

        It’s been called anarchy. but all anarchy is: is the lack or hierarchy. We are each of sovereign unto ourselves.

        It can’t happen quickly enough for me. Jack

  19. Disaffected says:

    Good to see OBomber’s in hot water today with the latest version of SpyGate. Can’t help but wonder if this isn’t all more theater to further discredit the liberal brand, although it’s hard to imagine they have any credibility left at this point. With the ACA mess and now this it appears that the powers that be seem determined to throw the next election the GOP’s way, even though the rogues gallery over there is every bit as bad or, dare I say it, even worse. Interesting times we live in!

  20. Ron McCafferty says:

    I don’t think that we have seen the end of the distractions or the lowest depths in which tptb will sink to maintain power. That is the one fear that grips me. Just how far will they go. I dare not mention scenarios as I think most here are aware of the weapons/mercs that they not only fund but I am quite sure are in control of. I fear 911 was car accident compared to what they may do.

    • kulturcritic says:

      I just woke this morning (it is 9 am here) and had a dream last night the Obomber resigned… much like triksie dick

      • Disaffected says:

        Ya never know. That would definitely fuel a radical takeover of any sort.

        • the Heretick says:

          that would be really swell, if he did it for the right reasons……….
          i’ve fantasized about the POTUS resigning, and in the resignation speech laying it all bare and disavowing the entire kit and kaboodle, an attack of conscience so to speak.

          not gonna happen. think of preening peacocks, or primates and their dominance displays.


          “primeval”, “primate”, we can but dream.

          • Disaffected says:

            They’d probably kill him first if word got out, and should he actually go on and do it he’d just be painted as delusional, complete with pre-fab medical background reports indicating that insiders knew it all along. Not to mention, he’d be an outcast thereafter who’d spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, which is what really concerns him I’m sure. That’s the beauty of the current system. There’s “safeguards” in place to make sure no one on the inside steps out of line.

            • Ron McCafferty says:

              DA, Can you imagine what this country would look like if they were to do that? There would be chaos. There should be a justice league for real. Incorruptible, decent people who can sort through the bullshit and put the people who need to jailed, in jail. I can dream too, Heretick.

              • the Heretick says:

                we are coming up on the 50th anniversary.
                i voted for our POTUS, once.
                what a chump.
                i really did want him to succeed, now all i am is a disillusioned democrat.
                we can but hope that people will come to their senses.

                watched a guy mcpherson vid. every nuke plant in the world needs to be decommissioned. right now.
                a coal plant, you quit feeding it, it stops.
                a nuke plant loses power, it’s going to go critical, every one of them is a ticking time bomb.
                no place to put the waste, by products used to make weapons.
                the worst idea our species have ever come up with.
                intelligent apes, who had this bright idea? 😦

                • Disaffected says:


                  I guess the best I can say in “defense” of nuclear power, is that it’s a yet another last ditch attempt to prop up modern civilization and 7B+ mouths to feed via the “wonders” of modern technology. JMG has it right in that regard. The unquestioned belief in “progress” has conditioned us all to naively accept this kind of shit. But then again, considering we’re all members of the 7B+ and none of us is volunteering to go first into the long dark night, what other choice do we have? Nuclear power ain’t gonna save us, but then again, nothing else is either. Wanna bet we don’t grasp for even more ephemeral straws on the way down?

                  A sign of things to come for sure…


            • Disaffected says:

              Agreed. No more wasted votes for me as long as Ds and Rs are in the ticket.

              They killed Kennedy for less, and we’re still living with the results. But Obama’s not about to bite the hand that feeds. He’s a formally trained lap dog of the highest pedigree.

              The bad news is, the American democracy is long gone now, has been for decades at least. The good new is, maybe after it totally implodes something better will come along locally. It’s the only hope we have left at this point. And the painful contraction that’s coming either way will definitely be easier once we get the federal monkey off our backs and develop local plans to manage it as best we can.

  21. the Heretick says:

    this is all over the web, saw it on teevee tonight, most would let this go by w/o a blink

    so, it’s pretty much all out in the open now, it’s all about the money, trade, globalism.

    why should i care? self-preservation?

    • Disaffected says:

      The Navy pitch is one of those subliminal reveals that really gives you an unfiltered view into the mind of the Beast. The funny thing is, as you say, that most Americans don’t even bat an eye when they see it, so complete is their programming. The current brou-ha-ha over international high seas pirates is closely related, never mind the fact that all those mega oil tankers cruising the high seas represent international piracy themselves of an altogether higher order.

    • Disaffected says:

      In the end, a mentality of self-preservation to the exclusion of all others, even if blindly and unbelievably subscribed to for long enough, will prevail. The capitalist ethos of “greed is good” is going to be a horrible epitaph for our species, but it is one we have nevertheless wholeheartedly embraced.

      • Ron McCafferty says:

        DA, it seems to me that most, if not all, of the people who have gone against the system with a chance at success are dead. Ghandi, MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcom X, even singers like Marvin Gaye and John Lennon( who both were popular and sang about protesting the system). Who knows how many unknowns have been done in. I hate to sound paranoid but these events are stark reality. I am waiting for cognitive dissonance to set in on these people who protect the system which has enslaved and will eventually kill them. We just have to remember to keep our wits about us and go local when global fails. Thanks for the mental chewing gum. 🙂

        • Disaffected says:


          No paranoia about it buddy. It’s all real, and most everyone who would dare buck the trend these days knows it. That’s why so few do it in the first place. But your points are well taken and no doubt why so few remaining buck the system at all these days. And why fewer and fewer will do so as time moves along, at least until some sort of ‘breaking point’ comes along, which I’m no longer confident of in the least. But that’s just me, and I’m admittedly a born pessimist.

          But in the end, I always find it comforting to know that no matter what, we’re ALL going to die out of here one day at a point most likely not of our choosing, and the world we leave behind us will go on (or not, we really have no control over it) either way.


          • Ron McCafferty says:

            Thanks, DA. It is good to know I have company at Camp Pessimistic. Although I like to think of myself as an optimist, the pessimist in me won’t let me. Here’s raising my half empty glass to ya. Ron.

            • Disaffected says:

              Cheers back at ya Ron! But let’s rename it Camp Realistic, as it’s not pessimistic if you’re just seeing things as they actually are.

              • Ron McCafferty says:

                Cheers it is then. I am with Fido (message below) as far as I feel that something is missing. I have always felt and expressed my opinion that something much more insidious is going on behind the scenes.

                • Disaffected says:

                  You’re not alone Ron. Many more are realizing it these days, as we wake up from our 1st world capitalism induced slumber. And I doubt we’ve even scratched the surface of the treachery that’s gone on in our name for all these years. Our masters would no doubt tell us it was all for our own good. Reminds me of something else:

  22. Jack Waddington says:

    Right on Disaffected. Said another way the reality in neither pessimistic nor optimistic. Those words are merely attitudes towards that something.

    One other sentence worth quoting. “Who ever you vote for the government will get in”

    Why do we need governing … for most of it is not ourselves that needs to be governed .. but the other guy. I’ve been for ever searching for that other guy.


  23. FIDO says:

    Well It could be worse and then it is was worse. Just put away the last of the Halloween candy and started to wonder about the fraud that is going t be reckoned with in a few months or years.

    Who will tell the people and what will they say to spin it.

    The most important thing to realize is that in all of the quackery going on is the simple fact that we
    are possibly missing something. Don’t you feel that no matter what you do with the pieces of the puzzle that you can’t find that hidden element ? Something is missing here.

    Maybe I am just not astute enough to find it or it is something that TPTB doesn’t want us to know about ?

    If they act like our friend the hapless Iraqi information minister, they will lose all control because even the village idiot will figure it out. Or will the do a wag the dog case.

    I think we are still missing something, maybe someone here will tell us.

    • Disaffected says:

      Who will tell the people and what will they say to spin it.

      That’s the real quandary, isn’t it? Even putting aside the fact that no one who told the real truth would ever graduate to a position to even be nominated for Prez or attract the money to support such a bid, but imagine how such a message would go over electorally were it ever actually put forward. Like a proverbial Led Zeppelin no doubt. Which reminds me:

  24. Jack Waddington says:

    Disaffected yeah he/she does … but if you find him/her let me know, cos I am convinced he’s or she’s elusive


  25. Malthus says:

    Ah Led Zeppelin one of my favorites. I had the opportunity to see them perform in Kezier (not sure of the spelling) Stadium in San Francisco. They played straight for 8 hours. This was in the 70’s. What a scene. Well folks its Sunday and we are back off of daylight savings that we follow blindly like sheep for no good reason what so ever except to screw up our natural rhythms. Its total hog wash about saving energy. I hear some people even have heart attacks when their rhythms get out of whack. Another very stupid concept that no one does any thing about.

    Has any one here been watching what is going on with the Robin Hood Tax movement? Interesting stuff.

    • Disaffected says:

      OK. Been bitten by my internet connection twice. Let’s see if this one goes through. Kezar Stadium is the one you’re thinking of Malthus:KEZAR=

      Natural rhythms? Yep. Don’t fuck with them.

      Robin Hood Tax?

      Bottom line? Won’t work. Let’s see if this does.


      • Malthus says:

        Good explanation on naked capitalism. Thanks. I do think that although the Robin Hoods are turning some people off they are getting some head lines and possible then everyone could look seriously at what Tobin came up with.

        • Disaffected says:

          The whole Robin Hood mentality is hamstrung by the fact that it implies a theft, no matter how well intentioned, from the rich. Fact is, a lot of even poor Americans still support the rich and hope one day to be one of them. Plus the fact that income redistribution is still equated with socialism, which is one of those knee-jerk words that immediately makes middle Americans froth at the mouth. The Operant Political Conditioning is so complete in the US (especially) that it’s hard to imagine us having a reasoned debate about the real issues that afflict us these days, which furthers the idea that the masses are incapable of even being trusted with political decisions and the idea that our masters, the rich and the powerful, should therefore be trusted to do it all for us. All with all too predictable and observable results.

          • Malthus says:

            Certainly looks like Fascism to me. Glaringly.the rich and powerful always know what is best for everyone one else. Has never worked for very long but this has gone on for a long time allowed by all those lumpen that want someone to think for them. This is so pathetic it has become so surreal I for one cannot even keep a straight face about it all. Either I am laughing hysterically or am so angry that I would enjoy throwing people off of cliffs. But why bother. There aren’t enough cliffs.

            • Disaffected says:

              Fascism it is. It’s ironic how Americans who couldn’t imagine how the Germans fell for it 50 years ago are goose stepping right down the same primrose path all too willingly. And of course the ugly fact is fascism, like most great evils, always looks like a great idea when one first embarks on it. Nationalism allied with private industry to recapture the nation’s long past glory days, all set to a catchy collection of tunes, hymns, and phrases. What could go wrong? The ill effects only become apparent later, usually right before the execution squads/drones arrive at your door. It started full force in the aftermath of the humiliations of Vietnam (the historical bell cow for American decline), Nixon and Carter with Reagan and has reached near full fruition with the over the top cognitive dissonance of Obama. Our time in the sun has nearly passed.

            • Disaffected says:

              If you read any of the accounts of people who were there, their description of nascent Nazi Germany sounds all too familiar as well. “Good citizens” who were just trying to get on with their lives under difficult circumstances who didn’t have the time or the willingness to stop to question authority as it gradually metastasized around them. And so it goes…

  26. the heretick says:

    “poor poor boy, another victim of the modern age” – F. Alexander, A Clockwork Orange
    but really? does any of this come as a surprise? perhaps a sharpening of the pop sensibilities is in order

    better? another shot?

    “yon Cassius, he has a lean and hungry look, he thinks too much, such men are dangerous”
    something like that.

    • Disaffected says:

      Poe is surely the standard bearer for this board and all similar “doomer sites.” I remember being forced to read The Telltale Heart in 7th grade and not getting much out of it. What can I say? I was a retarded little shit bag at 13 interested in only one thing (pussy), without a CLUE as to how to get it. Sigh…

      And Alan Parsons? Only learned years after the fact that he was a major contributor to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon and so much more. What can I say? I’m almost always late to the party and then show up acting like I discovered something before everyone else. One in every bunch!

    • Disaffected says:

      Or simply:

      Always thought Jeff Lynne was an unrecognized genius.

  27. the heretick says:

    three guys doing their best Humble Pie imitation for 10 minutes

    for discerning individuals the blues are just a way of life, how could it be otherwise?
    when we had rivers catching fire 30 years ago it was kind of a preview of coming attractions.

  28. gorge bush says:

    disturbing, all of the above

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